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]]> Comment on MySQL Mothership by Osma Ahvenlampi http://deanellis.com/2009/05/05/mysql-mothership/#comment-257 Osma Ahvenlampi Sat, 23 May 2009 13:29:47 +0000 http://deanellis.com/?p=47#comment-257 Dean, what you're saying certainly represents one class of customer, though I have to say I neither fully understand your argument's difference between the kernel and the database (both are just as critical to data availability and integrity). However, your argument certainly does not represent the views of all commercial users of MySQL, and I would dare to argue that they don't represent the views of the majority of the database's current customer base. Now, whether you consider that base more or less important and interesting than the potential "conservative enterprise" base is up to you. There's clearly a large potential license and support revenue potential in that market, but it's not the disruptive future market which naturally embraces this kind of products. Dean, what you’re saying certainly represents one class of customer, though I have to say I neither fully understand your argument’s difference between the kernel and the database (both are just as critical to data availability and integrity). However, your argument certainly does not represent the views of all commercial users of MySQL, and I would dare to argue that they don’t represent the views of the majority of the database’s current customer base. Now, whether you consider that base more or less important and interesting than the potential “conservative enterprise” base is up to you. There’s clearly a large potential license and support revenue potential in that market, but it’s not the disruptive future market which naturally embraces this kind of products.

]]> Comment on MySQL Mothership by dean http://deanellis.com/2009/05/05/mysql-mothership/#comment-238 dean Thu, 07 May 2009 11:58:49 +0000 http://deanellis.com/?p=47#comment-238 PostgreSQL wasn't an option for any of those companies. EnterpriseDB has helped that to a degree, but we would certainly have selected "MySQL AB" over "EnterpriseDB" with all things considered. MySQL could become something like PostregreSQL, but I am suggesting that the "number and nature of opportunities" would be reduced. Similarly, I question whether there is any point at all for "MySQL to become something like PostgreSQL": we already have PostgreSQL. My personal list of "what's wrong with PostgreSQL" is pretty short. PostgreSQL wasn’t an option for any of those companies. EnterpriseDB has helped that to a degree, but we would certainly have selected “MySQL AB” over “EnterpriseDB” with all things considered.

MySQL could become something like PostregreSQL, but I am suggesting that the “number and nature of opportunities” would be reduced.

Similarly, I question whether there is any point at all for “MySQL to become something like PostgreSQL”: we already have PostgreSQL. My personal list of “what’s wrong with PostgreSQL” is pretty short.

]]> Comment on MySQL Mothership by Olly http://deanellis.com/2009/05/05/mysql-mothership/#comment-237 Olly Thu, 07 May 2009 01:44:33 +0000 http://deanellis.com/?p=47#comment-237 So what you say is basically that PostgreSQL can't be seen as an option to MySQL due to the lack of an owning company? Or do you want to say that MySQL can't become something like PostgreSQL due to its past? So what you say is basically that PostgreSQL can’t be seen as an option to MySQL due to the lack of an owning company?
Or do you want to say that MySQL can’t become something like PostgreSQL due to its past?

]]> Comment on MySQL Mothership by Arjen Lentz http://deanellis.com/2009/05/05/mysql-mothership/#comment-235 Arjen Lentz Wed, 06 May 2009 22:19:18 +0000 http://deanellis.com/?p=47#comment-235 Dean, the very continuity that you regard as vital has been threatened and affected by a) MySQL's upmarket push b) Borked aspects of its development cycle c) Acquisition by Sun d) Acquisition by Oracle All these things are directly related to it being exactly the kind of organisation that you say is essential. So, while I agree with you that some users want certain assurances, the way it's delivered is definitely a mixed blessing and perhaps utterly self-defeating. Also, smaller companies now can't be served by Sun/MySQL any longer, its cost structure has just gone way beyond that. Perhaps those users are still comforted by the fact that there is a MySQL "the company" but from my experience they a) don't know and b) don't give a toss. But there's no such things as a single market with a single perspective and a single set of demands, needs and wishes. The different service providers deliver to different needs. Dean, the very continuity that you regard as vital has been threatened and affected by
a) MySQL’s upmarket push
b) Borked aspects of its development cycle
c) Acquisition by Sun
d) Acquisition by Oracle
All these things are directly related to it being exactly the kind of organisation that you say is essential. So, while I agree with you that some users want certain assurances, the way it’s delivered is definitely a mixed blessing and perhaps utterly self-defeating.

Also, smaller companies now can’t be served by Sun/MySQL any longer, its cost structure has just gone way beyond that. Perhaps those users are still comforted by the fact that there is a MySQL “the company” but from my experience they a) don’t know and b) don’t give a toss.

But there’s no such things as a single market with a single perspective and a single set of demands, needs and wishes. The different service providers deliver to different needs.

]]> Comment on MySQL Mothership by dean http://deanellis.com/2009/05/05/mysql-mothership/#comment-233 dean Wed, 06 May 2009 18:31:58 +0000 http://deanellis.com/?p=47#comment-233 I'll work on my "Arrrrr" and "Ye scurvy dog" speeches. MySQL is not an OS kernel, nor a web server, and I'm not going to humor folks by misapplying lessons from one to the other. Plenty of people playing that game elsewhere. The notion that MySQL development will continue and quality will remain "just as high" without a "mothership" is a sort of delusion fostered by people who believe MySQL is or was ever an open source project written by a community of developers who weren't on the MySQL payroll. In any case, I've stated my opinion as plainly as I can without being offensive: the number and nature of opportunities available in "The MySQL Ecosystem" today are a direct result of having a successful commercial enterprise at the center of it all. Opportunities will remain without a "mothership", but of a rather different (in a negative sense) number and nature. Compare (or contrast) the "number and nature" of opportunities available within the ecosystems of another "open source" RDBMS and you will, hopefully, begin to understand. I’ll work on my “Arrrrr” and “Ye scurvy dog” speeches.

MySQL is not an OS kernel, nor a web server, and I’m not going to humor folks by misapplying lessons from one to the other. Plenty of people playing that game elsewhere.

The notion that MySQL development will continue and quality will remain “just as high” without a “mothership” is a sort of delusion fostered by people who believe MySQL is or was ever an open source project written by a community of developers who weren’t on the MySQL payroll.

In any case, I’ve stated my opinion as plainly as I can without being offensive: the number and nature of opportunities available in “The MySQL Ecosystem” today are a direct result of having a successful commercial enterprise at the center of it all. Opportunities will remain without a “mothership”, but of a rather different (in a negative sense) number and nature.

Compare (or contrast) the “number and nature” of opportunities available within the ecosystems of another “open source” RDBMS and you will, hopefully, begin to understand.

]]> Comment on MySQL Mothership by Josh Berkus http://deanellis.com/2009/05/05/mysql-mothership/#comment-232 Josh Berkus Wed, 06 May 2009 15:12:16 +0000 http://deanellis.com/?p=47#comment-232 Dean, Don't look now, but I think your mothership was just boarded by pirates from Redwood Shores. ;-) Dean,

Don’t look now, but I think your mothership was just boarded by pirates from Redwood Shores. ;-)

]]> Comment on MySQL Mothership by William Newton http://deanellis.com/2009/05/05/mysql-mothership/#comment-231 William Newton Wed, 06 May 2009 14:41:53 +0000 http://deanellis.com/?p=47#comment-231 I'm afraid to say I either do not understand your reasoning or do not agree with it. What is the difference between the kernel and Mysql? I used to hear a similar rant against linux from my uncle against , who worked at a fortune 100 company that ran some old school Unix. Now they're using Red hat and pleased as punch. So that attitude does exist, but it is not insurmountable. If the mothership is mothballed, Development will continue and the quality will be just as high as it was when there was a mothership. I’m afraid to say I either do not understand your reasoning or do not agree with it. What is the difference between the kernel and Mysql? I used to hear a similar rant against linux from my uncle against , who worked at a fortune 100 company that ran some old school Unix. Now they’re using Red hat and pleased as punch. So that attitude does exist, but it is not insurmountable. If the mothership is mothballed, Development will continue and the quality will be just as high as it was when there was a mothership.

]]> Comment on Weight Loss Blog! by ffemt1721 http://deanellis.com/2009/02/07/weight-loss-blog/#comment-182 ffemt1721 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:42:15 +0000 http://deanellis.com/?p=41#comment-182 Haha, I did the same thing, except she was from McMinnville, TN. I looked at that and thought, well that wasn't where she was from last time. So I googled her name, and surprisingly she is from everywhere!! Boy does she travel, maybe being in all of those places at once made her lose the weight. lol.. Plus, if you are in McMinnville and lose the weight, more than likely you will be in the newspaper.. Haha, I did the same thing, except she was from McMinnville, TN. I looked at that and thought, well that wasn’t where she was from last time. So I googled her name, and surprisingly she is from everywhere!! Boy does she travel, maybe being in all of those places at once made her lose the weight. lol.. Plus, if you are in McMinnville and lose the weight, more than likely you will be in the newspaper..

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